Help needed to build PC - 100 K max budget

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Hello Guys

I'm looking to build a mid-range PC. Please suggest components with prices with in 100 K.

MotherBoard -
RAM -
CPU -
GPU -
Monitor -
PSU -

what else?

Thank you very much in advance
 

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Forget about buying new PC with GPU now a days due to price hike of GPUs.
You can either buy a new PC & used monitor without graphics card or go for complete used System with GPU an screen. One option is to go with server machines and add an GPU in it. I will suggest you to go with a completely used system due to not only price hike but lack of availability of latest hardware. So it better to get used one and later upgrade it.

BTW I am selling my system, I know it above your price range and does not include a monitor but there is no harm in checking it out.
 
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Simonsayz

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Hello Guys

I'm looking to build a mid-range PC. Please suggest components with prices with in 100 K.

MotherBoard -
RAM -
CPU -
GPU -
Monitor -
PSU -

what else?

Thank you very much in advance
I would suggest go for an iGPU setup for now, build your gaming PC with a good iGPU then add on a GPU later when the market is right. All Intel CPUs have iGPU except "F" models and AMD's "G" series CPUs have iGPU (integrated GPU) built-in, non G CPUs don't have it and can't output video as well. Go for AMD 3400G with a B550 Motherboard and the fastest RAM you can afford since iGPU will use system's RAM for its graphic memory. Technically you can run 3400G even on an A320M motherboard but it won't offer CPU upgrade option later down the line or faster memory options. You can wait for AMD 5400G or go for 3400G right now and upgrade later.

 
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yeah, build the best PC you can for a "reasonable price" -

"Go for AMD 3400G with a B550 Motherboard and the fastest RAM you can afford since iGPU will use system's RAM for its graphic memory."

Do this ..and buy a gpu / used gpu once market normalizes abit in coming months
 
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I would suggest go for an iGPU setup for now, build your gaming PC with a good iGPU then add on a GPU later when the market is right. All Intel CPUs have iGPU except "F" models and AMD's "G" series CPUs have iGPU (integrated GPU) built-in, non G CPUs don't have it and can't output video as well. Go for AMD 3400G with a B550 Motherboard and the fastest RAM you can afford since iGPU will use system's RAM for its graphic memory. Technically you can run 3400G even on an A320M motherboard but it won't offer CPU upgrade option later down the line or faster memory options. You can wait for AMD 5400G or go for 3400G right now and upgrade later.

Can you suggest me a complete build in budget of 200k.I think this advise of yours to go with iGPU is good one. I am unable to figure out the differences in so many MOBOs. B450/550 Mobos area starting from 15k and go all the way up to 40k. Whats the real difference in them?

- Intel Core i7-11700K Processor - Rs.74,900
- Corsair VENGEANCE® RGB PRO 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4 DRAM 3600MHz C18 Memory Kit — Black, CMW16GX4M2D3600C18 - Rs.21,700
- Samsung 980 PRO PCIe 4.0 NVMe SSD 1TB - Rs.50,500
- I will buy a RTX 3070 later when prices are stable

Which Mobo will be best for this setup?
Suggest me good PSU, Casing and Cooling to go with this setup.
Also any good and reputable store in RWP/ISB for this kind of setup?


EDIT Or is it better to just buy a gaming laptop ?





Asus TUF Dash 15 FX516 GAMING - Tiger Lake - 11th Gen Core i7 QuadCore 16GB 01-TB SSD 8-GB NVIDIA RTX3070 GDDR6 With Max-Q Design Graphics 15.6 Full HD 240Hz IPS-Level Display Backlit Chiclet Keyboard W10 ThunderBolt 4 (Eclipse Gray)Asus TUF Dash 15 FX516 GAMING - Tiger Lake - 11th Gen Core i7 QuadCore 16GB 01-TB SSD 8-GB NVIDIA RTX3070 GDDR6 With Max-Q Design Graphics 15.6" Full HD 240Hz IPS-Level Display Backlit Chiclet Keyboard W10 ThunderBolt 4 (Eclipse Gray)
Rs. 291,999

The only difference I can see in these two is 1TB vs 512 SSD and 3070 vs 3060 card. Is this difference worth the price upgrade?

I want the laptop / machine to be useful for next 3-4 years of average gaming + multi tasking - running multiple OS on virtual box for development

Thanks
 
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Can you suggest me a complete build in budget of 200k.I think this advise of yours to go with iGPU is good one. I am unable to figure out the differences in so many MOBOs. B450/550 Mobos area starting from 15k and go all the way up to 40k. Whats the real difference in them?
Assalam-o-alaikum hsn, B450/550 motherboards are for AMD CPUs which have AM4 socket layout and 450/550 chipsets. The difference between B450 & B550 is that of a generation, B450 came out with AMD 2000 series CPUs, B550 came out after AMD 3000 series CPUs and supports 3000/4000/5000 CPUs. While B450 does not support 5000 series CPUs and the support of 3000 series CPUs require BIOS update.

Within the B550 chipset motherboards (applies to other motherboards as well), all the manufacturers offer a variety of motherboard for different prices, adding features as the price goes up. Cheapest among the B550 are the B550M, which are the mATX (Micro ATX, smaller form factor of motherboards) motherboards. At the lowest price, motherboards are stripped of some extra features to save cost, and as the price goes up you will find better VRM (means power delivery, more overclocking potential), more I/O like USB 3.2 Gen 2, USB C, 2.5G LAN, better Audio I/O, more PCIe slots, M2 slots and WiFi/Bluetooth etc.

If these things matter to you then spend extra, otherwise don't. ASUS, Gigabyte and ASROCK are reputable brands and have excellent B550 offerings, you can't go wrong with any of their motherboards, pick one that suits your needs and budget. Some of MSI boards have sub-par VRMs, so I won't recommend them. Cheapest would be
GIGABYTE B550M DS3H or ASRock B550M Phantom Gaming 4. If you need WiFi then you can add a WiFi m2/PCI card yourself or buy an integrated WiFi motherboard like ASUS Prime B550M-A WiFi.

No one runs SLI/CrossFire anymore, so you won't need additional PCIe x16 slots, and mATX has smaller x1/x2/x4 slots for any WiFi/Sound/Capture cards that you might want to add later.

- Intel Core i7-11700K Processor - Rs.74,900
- Corsair VENGEANCE® RGB PRO 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4 DRAM 3600MHz C18 Memory Kit — Black, CMW16GX4M2D3600C18 - Rs.21,700
- Samsung 980 PRO PCIe 4.0 NVMe SSD 1TB - Rs.50,500
- I will buy a RTX 3070 later when prices are stable
I would NOT recommend 11th Gen CPUs, two less cores than the AMD counterparts, Intel went backwards for 11th Gen, these are 14nm while AMD is 7nm. This means Intel 11th Gen runs hotter, consumes more power, has lesser IPC (Instructions per Cycle/Clock), lesser multicore performance and is more expensive, e.g., 11700K is more expensive than 5600X.


EDIT Or is it better to just buy a gaming laptop ?





Asus TUF Dash 15 FX516 GAMING - Tiger Lake - 11th Gen Core i7 QuadCore 16GB 01-TB SSD 8-GB NVIDIA RTX3070 GDDR6 With Max-Q Design Graphics 15.6 Full HD 240Hz IPS-Level Display Backlit Chiclet Keyboard W10 ThunderBolt 4 (Eclipse Gray)Asus TUF Dash 15 FX516 GAMING - Tiger Lake - 11th Gen Core i7 QuadCore 16GB 01-TB SSD 8-GB NVIDIA RTX3070 GDDR6 With Max-Q Design Graphics 15.6" Full HD 240Hz IPS-Level Display Backlit Chiclet Keyboard W10 ThunderBolt 4 (Eclipse Gray)
Rs. 291,999

The only difference I can see in these two is 1TB vs 512 SSD and 3070 vs 3060 card. Is this difference worth the price upgrade?

I want the laptop / machine to be useful for next 3-4 years of average gaming + multi tasking - running multiple OS on virtual box for development

Thanks
IF you want to game NOW, then laptop seems to be the only choice as the GPU prices aren't coming back to normal till first quarter 2022 as per earnings calls to investors by both Nvidia & AMD. But it is not the same performance as the desktop CPU-wise, and GPU performance in a laptop is a whole different story, Mobile GPU is not a lower TDP version of their Desktop counterpart, rather it's a different version all together. e.g., Mobile 3070 is a watered down version of desktop 3060, not of 3070. And it gets more complicated, not all mobile 3070s are same, because there are different versions of Mobile 3070 in terms of Power Draw & TDP, which translates to performance. Sorry if this confuses you further, but you need to know what you are buying.

Then there is longevity, with laptops being non-upgradable, it won't last you 3-4 years being relevant in gaming but again it is available NOW. I would still not recommend 11th Gen, specially not in a laptop, Intel's 11th Gen has less than half the battery life of AMD 5000 series. Speaking of which, try to find the AMD version of ASUS G15


Can you suggest me a complete build in budget of 200k.I think this advise of yours to go with iGPU is good one. I am unable to figure out the differences in so many MOBOs.

Which Mobo will be best for this setup?
Suggest me good PSU, Casing and Cooling to go with this setup.
Also any good and reputable store in RWP/ISB for this kind of setup?

I want the machine to be useful for next 3-4 years of average gaming + multi tasking - running multiple OS on virtual box for development

Thanks
I would recommend an AMD setup, but like I said earlier, it will depend on your requirement. AMD's 3000 or 5000 series CPUs don't have iGPU, but the "G" variants have. You can go for 5700G if you can find one, or go for 5600X and add the cheapest GPU you can find, even a GTX750 will outperform an iGPU, and later add in the 3070 when you can find one at reasonable cost.

5600X with Stock cooler (that comes free with CPU)
B550M (Gigabyte/ASUS/ASROCK) whichever is cheapest for you, they are all similar in performance
16GB 3600MHZ RAM (2 sticks of identical 8GB RAM for dual channel performance, Preferable C16 or lower, but depends on your budget) Timing & Latency are more important than RGB, get timing of 3600Mhz (lower than 3600Mhz lowers CPU performance, higher than 3600Mhz does not add much performance) and a Latency of C16 or lower.
At least 512GB of NVMe SSD (Samsung 970 EVO or similar ~3000Mb/s)
PSU for 3070 would be at least 750 watts or higher, don't buy PSU cheap, it will damage rest of your system, buy at least a 80+ Gold rated. e.g., Gigabyte P750GM or Cooler Master MWE Gold 750 - V2
For casing, get one with highest AirFlow, in our region our ambient temps are pretty high to start with, so hardware tends to throttle under temps, we need to spend on casing rather than CPU coolers. Go with Mesh front intake casing, no glass restrictive casing. On a lower budget Antec NX Series NX800 and a higher budget CoolerMaster H500P Mesh.

I have always built my own PCs, but if you are not comfortable with building your own PCs than get them assembled by the shop that you buy parts from, there is no charge. ShingPoint is the ASUS dealer in RWP/ISB, it's located in Blue Area ISLAMABAD. Blue Area or Saddar are two major places to find higher end hardware. In Saddar there is WiseTech and Regent Computers, In Blue Area there is ShingPoint, Media Inn and the shop next to it (forgot its name). You might not find all the parts in one shop, also you might find some parts cheaper in some shops, so look around for best prices but always buy new and in warranty.

Hope this helps, Best of luck bro.
 
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Thanks brother - your detailed reply has helped me a lot in understanding all the items. Specially the processor choice. I am still uncertain between laptop and desktop. Laptop being readily available and portable with some support of gaming I won't be playing AAA titles. But need a decent system that can play Dota / COD etc in good quality with support of multitasking that I can use as development machine for home use.
 

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Thanks brother - your detailed reply has helped me a lot in understanding all the items. Specially the processor choice. I am still uncertain between laptop and desktop. Laptop being readily available and portable with some support of gaming I won't be playing AAA titles. But need a decent system that can play Dota / COD etc in good quality with support of multitasking that I can use as development machine for home use.
If you are going to use it at home only and won't travel much, then don't buy a laptop. The performance you lose going from desktop to laptop for the same amount of money is pretty substantial. Plus, laptops devalue a lot, unlike desktops that have parts that are upgradeable or some parts that hold their value well, like PSU, SSD, monitors etc.

Temporarily you can go for a lower-end GPU, 750Ti is selling for around 10K, 1060 3GB is selling around 30K (Don't buy those fake 1050Ti/1060 chinese cards that are selling for around 14K), RX 580 4GB around 35K. Buy a branded card of a known company, lot of scams on used cards these days.
 

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Going to check on weekend for following build in blue area. Any ideas to cut price here without compromising on quality?

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Going to check on weekend for following build in blue area. Any ideas to cut price here without compromising on quality?

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Can't read from that screenshot, is that parts picker page, paste a link here and we can check. Remember prices rise twice a year, first one a week after Holidays coz all factories shut down for Christmas/New Year holidays then in Jan/Feb for Chinese New Year holidays and there is less stock in market, second price hike is local to Pakistan during June/July, in anticipation of budget and the Dollar hike, local sellers hold off stock so they can sell at higher prices.
 

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Going to check on weekend for following build in blue area. Any ideas to cut price here without compromising on quality?

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Looks good, couple of tweaks;

RAM: G.Skills Trident Z "NEO" was the one specially designed for AMD Zen 3 and it works better than other RAMs hence harder to find, but like I said earlier any RAM with 3600 Mhz "D.O.C.P. Profile" and a Latency of "C16" or under will do, but if there is not much price difference then go for NEO.

The ASUS ROG case has that gamery feel but doesn't have good air flow, for less money than this you can get the Cooler MAster H500P ARGB case, those dual 200mm fans pull a lot of air and are silent as they are 200mm. But looks are important too, go for what you like the best.

Try Blue Area first, higher chances of finding these parts there, at ShingPoint


 
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A little update here:

I checked from ShingPoint and media international. Prices of available GPUs are very high at the moment:

Even the lower spec items are costing a lot specially cards.

AMD Ryzen 5 3600X 34,000/-
MSI B450 TOMAHAWK 22,500/-
16GB (2*8GB) 3600M TZ RGB G.SK 20,500/-
500GB NVME 980 PRO SAMSUNG 29.500/-
Nvidia 1660 super 115,000/-
650W PSU 80+ G RM650 CORSAIR 18,000/-
Gigabyte C200 8,000/-
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247,500/-

In comparison this laptop looks much better - specs and performance wise


The comparison with desktop GPU.

I know I won't be able to upgrade but it seems like GPU prices are not coming down anytime soon and even when the prices are down, 3060/3060ti desktop GPU will cost a lot more
 
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@hsn

Keep following in mind.

Desktop PC is robust and ideal for updating drivers and configuring OS on it as per your liking.

Laptop offers portability and can be as powerful as a PC of similar specs but you need to keep an eye on its battery condition and stick with OEM supplied drivers and software for battery-friendly optimal results.

These are two different ecosystems.

This is something that no laptop seller will tell you. I am speaking with experience.
 
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Going to check on weekend for following build in blue area. Any ideas to cut price here without compromising on quality?

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Do you really NEED 750 Ws? I am not sure.

and same with that asus midtower case..Its quite an expensive case. There are other, with better airflow and cheaper cases.
Also if you get 1 ssd for 500GB for windows - I believe that will be enough for windows and for half the price
 

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laptops arent the worst investment NOW, but question is how long do you expect to use this and not want to upgrade.
also gaming cards are not equal to desktop equalent.
I would also recommend not going for B450 motherboards for upgradeability in future.
 
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