Brother stabs 17-year-old sister to death in Karachi

[Witch3r]

thats pretty much what her brother said, and acted upon after hearing about her affair and such, "i should hang her, no wait i should peel her skin off, nah, rather stab her in public, better of that way" this jazbati bollywood justice mentality has landed us here and sadly it will remain as is for years to come

Listen KID. I said that, because WE need an example, so that no one in future can do this type of act. Take example of Saudi Arabia. Murderer caught, End of story for him/her. But here in Pakistan, We will see inquiries, delay in decision making, courts etc. This type of ACT which every one saw and there is no need of proof for sentence of death for murderer .. needs prompt action. That's it.

 

[HAMMER of THOR]

Beyond belief... no words....

the "bayhisee" of the society is so extreme that i doubt anyone would raise hand or voice even if their mother is being raped in front of a town... they would kill their mother later though, for dishonor of creating such useless children

pardon my jahil puna and sinful language

in kutay logon nay tabah kar diya hay maira deen... in kee siri zameen pay mar mar kar nariyal kee tarhan phor dainay ka dil karta hay... islam ko badnam kia hay in jahilon nay... badtreen azaab hay iss qaum kay liya

 

[lifeinabucket]

I disagree. It's not like when Europe civilized and changed for the better, there were any programs for development of schools/institutions being carried out there. The revolution didn't come until the people got their heads straight, on the backs of great men like Voltaire, Locke, Paine, Franklin etc. It was the culture of doubting tradition and authority, disseminated by men such as these that people realized that their outmoded ways won't do anymore.

Now these important men weren't a product of any governmental effort for education. They were revolutionaries. They were dissidents of the government as well as the church. They disbelieved and they disobeyed. I emphasize this only to make it clear that it in Europe, governments transformed because the people did first. It was not the other way round.

Pakistan won't change because even the truly educated of us wait for a Messiah. We think that for the society to improve, the government will have to step up first. We don't want do anything that our government doesn't force us to do. And since a bad government will never force its people to behave themselves, we will never behave ourselves. We won't stop hoping for the day when it forces us to be better than what we are. The day that will never come. Because we put the cart before the horse.

This is such a good post, people need to read this more often.

The Messiah mentality has ruined Pakistan.

Someone will come and wake us up and we will be in La La land.

No.

No one helps you, but yourself, and it's time people realized that.

 

[Alveaenerle]

You are one intelligent bot, y'know that?

And you're a wannabe smartass trying way too hard to sound like a smartass and failing, y'know that?

I made the same point with 2 rhetorical questions that you did with 3 paragraphs. People watched the scene like a movie for 90 minutes, there's more wrong with people themselves than there's with the government ruling them; they have to change first. It's not my fault if you can't differentiate rhetorical questions from actual ones or if you can't understand rhetoric in the first place, shit for brains.

 

[Benighted]

And you're a wannabe smartass trying way too hard to sound like a smartass and failing, y'know that?

I made the same point with 2 rhetorical questions that you did with 3 paragraphs. People watched the scene like a movie for 90 minutes, there's more wrong with people themselves than there's with the government ruling them; they have to change first. It's not my fault if you can't differentiate rhetorical questions from actual ones or if you can't understand rhetoric in the first place, shit for brains.

Ermmm dude/dudette, I was referring to that weird bot-sounding post of yours from that other thread. I thought you were a bot. I was just trying to be funny here..

 

[cobby]

These are the same people who sit in front of girls schools and colleges to get girl number. Ride bikes and whistle on girls walking by , stare girls when they come out of their home . Watch porn , indian movies .
These assholes should be killed by their sisters in name of honor , not the other way around .

talking about educating these peoples , well u can't , cause the population is to much charitable organisations can't do shit in such large number of population , modern mullah convert them selves talk garbage on tv and sermons , so that they remain prestigious in the eyes of those mullah masses who can't even keep their mosque bathroom clean .
and govt is piece of shit , and they won't educate jack shit .

majority of pakis who talk about change here are those who don't even go out at Election Day to vote , or those sitting outside this country have made Middle East , Canada , Europe , Aussie land their new home , social media changers .
this country will keep on rotting , u can't bring change untill ur 4th generation is educated , which won't happen.
masses of rich fella and establishment want this country remain unducated cause that way they can get their henchmen and cheap labour , cause their ain't any industry or jobs to feed the educated ones right now and won't be .

 

[HAMMER of THOR]

majority of pakis who talk about change here are those who don't even go out at Election Day to vote

agree with everything else but this... when you have to choose between wolves, you need not bother... i will never vote in this country... neither am i qualified to decide who should be in charge of a country

 

[GloriousChicken]

And you're a wannabe smartass trying way too hard to sound like a smartass and failing, y'know that?

I made the same point with 2 rhetorical questions that you did with 3 paragraphs. People watched the scene like a movie for 90 minutes, there's more wrong with people themselves than there's with the government ruling them; they have to change first. It's not my fault if you can't differentiate rhetorical questions from actual ones or if you can't understand rhetoric in the first place, shit for brains.

Wowowo, thats a heated reply my friend. Calm down.
XD

Please note for thread : can we keep the language clean, doesnt matter if urdu or english.

 

[Mephisto]

Steps that we can take to resolve this issue:

1 - Control religious leaders [imams, priests etc.] - Make sure these bozos only preach positive things. This has started to some extent but needs more affirmative action. Keep a keen eye on every religious place [Mosques, Church, Madrasas etc.]

2 - Increase severity of punishment for any type of crime for all authoritarian figures. School teacher, Police man, Judge, Army personnel, Politician etc. This will make sure the people who we see as examples actually follow the rule correctly. And they inturn will preach the same law to their subordinates and public.

3 - Strictly apply law against these A-holes who commit honor killing / religious murder etc. Treat it as a sever crime and make sure the Police, lawyer and judges all know that this is a severe crime and fully agree with the punishment.

4 - EDUCATE, EDUCATE and EDUCATE. Make govt. sponsored flyers that clearly states that any kind of 'honor killing' or similar crap will be punishable by death, no questions asked. Leave these flyers in the mosques [tell the Imam to distribute and mention them in his sermons, also preach why honor killing is Haram and illegal], leave them in shops and distribute them house to house. Create radio shows that strictly discriminate honor killing and reiterate that it is punishable by law. Add this to our text books and ask teachers to make sure they teach human rights to students.


There is a lot to do, our gov. needs to step up the game, but we as individuals can do a lot too.


Some of us here are already in positions that can make a difference, such as teachers, armed forces, lawyers, etc. Even if you are not an authoritative figure, we still have a lot of people that look up to us, our servants for example. Start from there, tell them why these things are wrong, get in discussions with them and teach them what is correct. Ask them to spread the message amongst their community, and if people have questions, clear out their confusions. And above all, live as an example, don't be a hypocrite...

 

[shahoo]

A girl is burned alive in abbottabad and one gets killed on wedding night because she was not virgin according to his husband/killer,why we are getting so barbaric ? is this some frustration or what? i have seen educated people talking shit and making other's life hell.

 

[shujaswati]

Killed for Honour?

Quran, Surah Al-Imran (Ayat 135-137) : Aur jo log "fahash" kare ya uske baraber gunnah, aur mafi/toba mange to me unko aisi Janat me dalon ga jahan nechy nahrain bahti hain aur wo waha hamisha rahain gy". All these people (relatives and outsiders) who were watching the show and think it was the right think the do are as accountable to murder as the murderer himself.

Khud larka zina kare to "ghlati ho gai, bachy ki shadi kara do". Larki se ho jae to "zamen me zinda dafan kerdo". Jab mera Allah maaf kerta hy tooba mangny walo ko to who we are to give punishment that too without prove (4 shahadat).

Allah forgive Kifal too? Remember that story?


“And those who invoke not any other ilah (god) along with Allah, nor kill such life as Allah has forbidden, except for just cause, nor commit illegal sexual intercourse and whoever does this shall receive the punishment.
The torment will be doubled to him on the Day of Resurrection, and he will abide therein in disgrace;
Except those who repent and believe (in Islamic Monotheism), and do righteous deeds, for those, Allah will change their sins into good deeds, and Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
And whosoever repents and does righteous good deeds, then verily, he repents towards Allah with true repentance.”
[al-Furqaan 25:68-71].

 

[FUEL2009]

Ghaleezistan, I feel ashamed. Pak to kuch hai hi nahi yahan. Patriot tha main bhi ek zamane me, now, I just feel guilty. Itni jahalat ka hissa hun main; sickening and disgusting.

Rather it's morphing into Abuses will lead to banstan.

 

[HAMMER of THOR]

the most disturbing aspect about this news is that(as far as i have heard) the brother actually sold his sister for 1 lac rupees and when she refused to go with the buyer, she was killed as an "honor killing"... i don't know if it is true or not as i read it on facebook

 

[CyCo]

the most disturbing aspect about this news is that(as far as i have heard) the brother actually sold his sister for 1 lac rupees and when she refused to go with the buyer, she was killed as an "honor killing"... i don't know if it is true or not as i read it on facebook

i dont know about this particular case but in southern punjab, its a centuries old culture, accused girl simply gets sold (sad part, there is never shortage of buyers) and the accused boy has to pay up a healthy sum of money to the girls parents he has been found flirting with or his sister in rishta to accused girl's brother or other family member

 

[EmZohan]

A girl is burned alive in abbottabad and one gets killed on wedding night because she was not virgin according to his husband/killer,why we are getting so barbaric ? is this some frustration or what? i have seen educated people talking shit and making other's life hell.

How the hell did he knew she was not virgin tho

 

[NaNoW]

I disagree. It's not like when Europe civilized and changed for the better, there were any programs for development of schools/institutions being carried out there. The revolution didn't come until the people got their heads straight, on the backs of great men like Voltaire, Locke, Paine, Franklin etc. It was the culture of doubting tradition and authority, disseminated by men such as these that people realized that their outmoded ways won't do anymore.

Now these important men weren't a product of any governmental effort for education. They were revolutionaries. They were dissidents of the government as well as the church. They disbelieved and they disobeyed. I emphasize this only to make it clear that it in Europe, governments transformed because the people did first. It was not the other way round.

Pakistan won't change because even the truly educated of us wait for a Messiah. We think that for the society to improve, the government will have to step up first. We don't want do anything that our government doesn't force us to do. And since a bad government will never force its people to behave themselves, we will never behave ourselves. We won't stop hoping for the day when it forces us to be better than what we are. The day that will never come. Because we put the cart before the horse.

See I completely 100% agree with your point on people waiting on for a messiah and it is the people who should change, but that was not my initial point.

Education is what drives people to argue against or for the state, concept or an idea. Yes, importantly historical figures did provide with revolutionary theories, but education was what allowed them to think critically against the very system they were brought up in. At that time, a significant number of important scientific discoveries were made by students of catholic faith. Eventually some of them (or their students) argued against the religion and this scientific branch was born.

Europe has not been built or is being sustained on top of revolutions. It was built on conquests, which were made possible due to the technological and scientific advancements (specially in locomotives, military and navigation) and now it is still being maintained on the research and development of newer technologies.
Any person who has studied outside would tell you the same. The number of PhDs , Masters and Bachelors students is pretty high.

Just a small fun fact: You pay money to buy ketchup and mayo in McDonald in Germany, but education, student councils, student unions and university services are free of cost.

What I see is that, if there was decent education being provided, people will pull themselves out of this messiah complex u talked about.
Education would lead them to see the bigger picture and how they were being treated as, basically, slaves. And that would trigger others to join them.
Right now, masses have no real opportunity to get the kinda of quality education I am talking about and many of the powers above them fear, and rightfully,
that masses will revolt once they can critically argue against them.

majority of pakis who talk about change here are those who don't even go out at Election Day to vote , or those sitting outside this country have made Middle East , Canada , Europe , Aussie land their new home , social media changers .
this country will keep on rotting , u can't bring change untill ur 4th generation is educated , which won't happen.
masses of rich fella and establishment want this country remain unducated cause that way they can get their henchmen and cheap labour , cause their ain't any industry or jobs to feed the educated ones right now and won't be .

I fall under this category perfectly. I have been, and probably will be, decently patriotic. I understand that patriotism is nothing except brand loyalty, but I also understand that the only way to get rid of intolerance is providing people with knowledge and education.

But I honestly dont understand the hostility towards people who have made a choice to pursue their careers outside of Pakistan either. Just because I live outside the country doesn't make me any less of a Pakistani. I know I make my country proud, when I meet others and they get to see a side to Pakistan, which is most often not shown in media.

 

[shahoo]

How the hell did he knew she was not virgin tho

maybe there's any other story going on and killer just to SATISFY girls family said it? you never know,surprisingly,most curious men worried about virginity of their brides are not virgin,lol.

 

[HAMMER of THOR]

How the hell did he knew she was not virgin tho

blood.....

 

[ASKnASK]

All this and if we bring religion into this discussion (which is what shapes our backward society) mods will say 'NO RELIGIOUS DISCUSSION PLISS'.

 

[Benighted]

See I completely 100% agree with your point on people waiting on for a messiah and it is the people who should change, but that was not my initial point.

Education is what drives people to argue against or for the state, concept or an idea. Yes, importantly historical figures did provide with revolutionary theories, but education was what allowed them to think critically against the very system they were brought up in. At that time, a significant number of important scientific discoveries were made by students of catholic faith. Eventually some of them (or their students) argued against the religion and this scientific branch was born.

Europe has not been built or is being sustained on top of revolutions. It was built on conquests, which were made possible due to the technological and scientific advancements (specially in locomotives, military and navigation) and now it is still being maintained on the research and development of newer technologies.
Any person who has studied outside would tell you the same. The number of PhDs , Masters and Bachelors students is pretty high.

Just a small fun fact: You pay money to buy ketchup and mayo in McDonald in Germany, but education, student councils, student unions and university services are free of cost.

What I see is that, if there was decent education being provided, people will pull themselves out of this messiah complex u talked about.
Education would lead them to see the bigger picture and how they were being treated as, basically, slaves. And that would trigger others to join them.
Right now, masses have no real opportunity to get the kinda of quality education I am talking about and many of the powers above them fear, and rightfully,
that masses will revolt once they can critically argue against them.

You've given a very accurate account and there is nothing in your opinion (or rather facts. It is a very factual opinion) that I disagree with here. But I think I did not make my point clear enough. My main contention was that governments never take it upon themselves to take the necessary measures and educate their ignorant masses. This is because governments work strictly on the principle of self-interest and I scratch your back, you scratch my back. Altruism is not a trait that can be found in government. Therefore, governments stay away from actions and policies that they in no way can benefit from.

There is no doubt that if quality education were to become common for all, a lot of the rotten practices prevalent in our society will diminish. There is no room for debate there. But the point that I am trying to make is that the day will never come when the government starts doing something about it. Going back to Europe, their enlightenment came when people learned to educate themselves. It wasn't the government which was suddenly infused with a passion for public service. It was the people. That's not the case now, as you have pointed out how education is free in a lot of European countries. But this wasn't the case then. In fact, it is exactly due to the wave of enlightenment that swept across the public, a wave that was incidentally created by themselves in the first place, that the government made itself subservient to the public. And in doing so, the public ensured that their necessary requirements were met, and as we can see all over Europe today, they have succeeded, with widespread quality education and institutions present in Europe this day.

tl;dr: The spark that transformed Europe was public in origin, not governmental. While it would be the best thing in the world if government took steps to provide decent education to its public, you and I both know that's never gonna happen. Here is the crux of the Messiah complex.