[Aurora] ROUNDTABLE - Why has 360 succeed in Pakistan while PS3 failed?

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Topic: Why 360 won and PS33 failed in Pak

Disscussion: "MGS > LO" , then "MGS > GTA" , "MGS4 didin't get a chance to sell alot because of GTA 4"

Yes, i am on pakgamers.com alright ;)
 

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Topic: Why 360 won and PS33 failed in Pak

Disscussion: "MGS > LO" , then "MGS > GTA" , "MGS4 didin't get a chance to sell alot because of GTA 4"
Confirmation that the thread has been infected with 'the chandersonz virus' ;), btw this particular roundtable article has been discussed enough for now, though the discussion is still incomplete cause the race is still on! :p
 

Necrokiller

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USUF whatever the topic title states is not the final verdict or the definitive truth. Members gave their perspective in the article and now its open to discussion, which is the point to post it in the first place. But yeah, the thread derailed coz some people were not open to other sides of the story, or perhaps they wanted to re-enforce their view in any case.

Personally, I don't see the need for such a topic anyway. Its a shrine for xbots really haha (lulz). Is the answer such a mystery really? Comparing an age old and long ago pirated, but still strong, DVD format to a new and most certainly the next step in optical media (Blu-Ray) is kind of silly, as the main reason for piracy on the X360, and its success, is the media format (other reason are subjective).

Blu-Ray torrents can be found everywhere... the only wait is for a mod-chip to arrive and be fully integrated within the PS3. That is only reason why the slow rate of success is perceived as failure in Pakistan. Which is quite wrong. Irrespective of the media (DVD vs Blu-ray), the price for a newly released game in North America is same on the X360 and the PS3 i.e. $69. I mention that because if you take that into account, the prices for games on both consoles in Pakistan would be same as well, if the X360 wasn't pirate friendly or PS3 was cracked whatever. Other reasons such as online play and exclusive games differs from person to person so lets not even go there. Why? Because if a guy doesn't like HALO (forgive me for saying that USUF lol), or Fable, Forza etc. then why would they buy X360? Just because statistics say its selling more? I don't think so. Maybe coz its cheap for multi-platform games.

And since foreign perspective is frowned upon on PG, why is the success of X360 (or any game for that matter) judged by sale numbers in foreign countries anyway? lol How ironic. Its cheap so obviously more people are buying it in Pakistan, im not denying that. But where is the statistical data everyone talks about for Pakistan? It would surely help because the actual numeric difference would decide if its just selling less, or is a total failure. Two completely different things.

With all that negativity towards the PS3, and the 'useless' features it holds for people in Pakistan, I'm shocked to see so many people own one here at PG alone.
 
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With all that negativity towards the PS3, and the 'useless' features it holds for people in Pakistan, I'm shocked to see so many people own one here at PG alone.
what's more shocking that even those PS3 owners freely talk about the useless-ness of said features, innit ? :p
the price for a newly released game in North America is same on the X360 and the PS3 i.e. $69.
59.99$ actually, maybe you're talking about Canada.

Because if a guy doesn't like HALO (forgive me for saying that USUF lol), or Fable, Forza etc. then why would they buy X360? Just because statistics say its selling more? I don't think so. Maybe coz its cheap for multi-platform games.
that's basically it, isn't it. Eg, older PG members would know i've been saying since 2007 that i would most likely play Resident Evil 5 on launch, but i was not keen on purchasing a 360 either, but then i found a really good price point and, well, went for it.

but when you take in the foreign prespective in account as well, surely you're not going to say that the ps3 is a bigger success now, look at your own home land/continent, the 360 hardware/software sells tremendously more compared to the PS3, even though everything sells at the same price there.


doesn't that just mean that the "advantages" of blu ray and most of the PS3's beneficial features are considered useless world wide ? especially since there are 99$ stand alone blu ray players available in the market as well.

But where is the statistical data everyone talks about for Pakistan? It would surely help because the actual numeric difference would decide if its just selling less, or is a total failure
visit saddar, abdullah haroon road etc, all the data you need can be sampled there. of course we don't have our own versions of NPD here, but that's besides the point :
 
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doesn't that just mean that the "advantages" of blu ray and most of the PS3's beneficial features are considered useless world wide ? especially since there are 99$ stand alone blu ray players available in the market as well.
Worldwide? Umm NO WAY man. You have no idea the amount of people who just buy the PS3 coz its a 'better Blu-ray player with added functions of next-gen gaming'. Trust me, people like that DO exists here :mental . And that was a huge selling point for the PS2 as well, a DVD player built in. You can say its over-priced, people will always welcome a price drop, but now you say that even outside Pak the extra features are useless, is something very fanboyish (for the lack of a better word).

look at your own home land/continent, the 360 hardware/software sells tremendously more compared to the PS3, even though everything sells at the same price there.
Talking about Canada, the difference is not as huge as United States. Not at all. And take Japan now, the Xbox 360 has POOR sales compared to PS3, even though PS3 is still expensive there. Same price can be related between games, not the hardware itself. I mean, as of beginning of 2009, the Japan sales figure for Xbox 360 is low enough to label it as a failure there. But not so much in other countries.
 

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PS3 phail in Pakistan = No one ... and I mean NO ONE wants to pay 1000s for a game when they are used to piracy since the time of games on floppy discs and those sega cartridges etc!

All the other reasons are a farce. Piracy hoti aaj people would have got PS3s just as much as X360s here!
 

Necrokiller

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PS3 phail in Pakistan = No one ... and I mean NO ONE wants to pay 1000s for a game when they are used to piracy since the time of games on floppy discs and those sega cartridges etc!
Ahsan, you're telling us all PS3 owners here are using it as a decoration piece? :p
 

Sire Ahsan

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No one WANTS to pay ... if games were available pirated, you would have got them instead of the originals for sure! The people who own PS3s here have jobs and are mashAllah quite rich!

Had the PS3 been cracked ... X360 sales would have plummeted! Anyone who had got an RROD would have gone "Screw this man, Ill get the PS3, atleast it will never die on me". In Pakistan its ALL about the piracy! PS3 ka copied game 250rs ka bhe hota to PS3 bahut bahut bahut bikta! I bet you wont find many or even a few people who use ORIGINAL games on the X360s!

If PS3 was pirated it would have won hands down in Pakistan. FREE ONLINE ... NO RROD ... its a winning combo if it had been chipped!
 

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dude obviously japan isn't the xbox's strong suite lol, it's been like that since day 1, saying japan is a victory for the PS3 is saying like how i'm more awesome than most PG members, totally obvious. :p

but then again, it's not like the PS3 is doing "well" in Japan either, weekly sales put the PS3 at what, 12k units sold per week ? that's still pretty low. Comparatively when you see US numbers, the 360 outsells the PS3 by the margin of hundreds of thousands of units each month, easily making up and over taking the gap Japan makes.

but now you say that even outside Pak the extra features are useless, is something very fanboyish (for the lack of a better word).
but that's just it, isn't it, especially for a tech savvy place like the states, if the PS3 was really considered such a technical marvel there, it wouldn't be lagging behind in the sales department so much, just 150k units sold last month, that doesn't speak volumes.

Ahsan, you're telling us all PS3 owners here are using it as a decoration piece?
No, but pretty close, many PS3 owners on PG have only got libraries of 3~5 games at max, and even then they take mighty precautions (or in some people's cases coughbaadshahcough wait months upon months until their game drops a thousand rupees or so) that sums up to a hefty sum, compared to that the average 360 pakistani owner has a whole bunch more of games.
 

Necrokiller

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Its only a matter of time. Thats exactly what I'm trying to say. And Xbox 360 has the lead so far, no doubt. But to label PS3 as failure is pretty harsh. If 360 was still selling more even if PS3 was modded, then it would be a failure.

Which also brings me back to something I said before. You get what you pay for. PS3 is expensive coz it has alot of shit packed under the hood. Sadly theres no choice unlike MS gave us.

saying japan is a victory for the PS3 is saying like how i'm more awesome than most PG members, totally obvious. :p
No you're not :p Anyway, that example was to demonstrate that sales figures shouldn't matter to any GAMER. It shouldn't influence anyones decision in any way.

but that's just it, isn't it, especially for a tech savvy place like the states, if the PS3 was really considered such a technical marvel there, it wouldn't be lagging behind in the sales department so much, just 150k units sold last month, that doesn't speak volumes.
Like I said before, its totally valid to say its over-priced.

12k units sold per week ? that's still pretty low. Comparatively when you see US numbers, the 360 outsells the PS3 by the margin of hundreds of thousands of units each month, easily making up and over taking the gap Japan makes.
Its ALL about the price yaar. Doesn't make the console itself better or worse. C'mon man am I asking for too much for you to understand? Now if someone can enlighten us by sharing the Xbox 360 Elite vs PS3 sales figures, that would atleast give us some perspective on the real deal.
 
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Sire Ahsan

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No, but pretty close, many PS3 owners on PG have only got libraries of 3~5 games at max,
And all those are only the exclusives ... because those people just buy the multiplat games for the PC or X360 (Anyone who has a PS3 has those or atleast one of those) ... !

Piracy in a way meant PS3 is just simply not for us! I buy games with loose change ffs! ... and atleast here im not going to collect for TWO months just to buy one game instead! No one is!

To be very honest ... the cost of having 5-6 games on the PS3 gets you a PC or a X360 ... so even if it does RROD or you need to upgrade your PC, you still are better off with those things because you still can play a whole lota more games in the same expenditure!
 
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but then again, it's not like the PS3 is doing "well" in Japan either, weekly sales put the PS3 at what, 12k units sold per week ? that's still pretty low. Comparatively when you see US numbers, the 360 outsells the PS3 by the margin of hundreds of thousands of units each month, easily making up and over taking the gap Japan makes.
USA population = more than 305,000,000
Japan population = around 150,000,000
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No, but pretty close, many PS3 owners on PG have only got libraries of 3~5 games at max, and even then they take mighty precautions (or in some people's cases coughbaadshahcough wait months upon months until their game drops a thousand rupees or so) that sums up to a hefty sum
Heh, What's bad if you are so happy with your 3~5 games? :p And you can exchange them anytime to play more games. 3-5 games are more than enough when you also got MP to deal with. :8
 

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hey badshah, we're getting the exact same LBP (your words, not mine :8) on the PSP for free too :8

@necro, i don't think anyone labels it as a "failure", but seeing the complete turnaround from the ps2 days is worth noting.
 
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Necrokiller

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Anyone whos going to use the "Japanese" card on the PS3 mind explaining the PS2 sales in Pakistan ?
Don't take everything literally. I used that only to explain another point. If I must answer your question, then its piracy. Piracy didn't invade PS3 yet. But did so in the PS2 era.

@Chandoo, You might wana look into changing the thread title, to keep things fair. Times have changed, the level of games developed has changed, the architecture is getting more and more complex. PS3 is still not pirate friendly. Many factors come into play. Too soon to even consider it a 'failure'. But since you seem to have knowledge about alot of sources, I would really like you to tell me the Xbox 360 Elite sales figures (genuine request if u will pliss).

I remember Victor Lucas putting the complexity of PS3 into perspective, "Xbox 360 is like ONE 11-gallons jug. PS3 is like ELEVEN 1-gallon jugs".
 
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Chandoo

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they don't label them separately in sales or quarterly reports, but obviously the arcade probably sells more than the elite's, still worth noting that all those bundles that get gulped up by the populace are elite's, never arcade's. So the demand is there.

but then again, isn't that just smart marketing on MS's part ? introducing a cheap entry level system that can play every game just fine, it just lacks some features that are optional, not mandatory for any game, sure the ps3 could have done something similar as well if it's blu ray drive wasn't as slow as a snail and the game's didn't require mandatory installs.

Even if MS sells those arcade's at a loss, it's all about getting the installed base as large as possible for the software to sell.

I remember Victor Lucas putting the complexity of PS3 into perspective, "Xbox 360 is like ONE 11-gallons jug. PS3 is like ELEVEN 1-gallon jugs".
one xbox 360 is the same as 11 ps3's ? :p
 
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Necrokiller

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they don't label them separately in sales or quarterly reports, but obviously the arcade probably sells more than the elite's, still worth noting that all those bundles that get gulped up by the populace are elite's, never arcade's. So the demand is there.
Thats my point. Im pretty sure Elite sales are very low compared to Arcade. So feature by feature its not a fair comparison at all. Wouldn't things be different if Elite was the only console available?

but then again, isn't that just smart marketing on MS's part ? introducing a cheap entry level system that can play every game just fine, it just lacks some features that are optional, not mandatory for any game
Agreed. Ofcourse it is. Whats better than to give the users some choice? But let me tell you, PS3's raw power and all its extras, [like Crysis :p], are ahead of its time. When things become more common in every household (like Blu-ray playback and such), and eventually the PS3 could play pirated games, then only will you realize what a beast it is.

one xbox 360 is the same as 11 ps3's ?
ROFLMAO! Thats not what it means. You need to be able to have some understanding of how the hardware works under the hood to understand that.
 
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Well i personally don't keep the games with me, imo one should trade or sell the game after he's done with it & it STILL has market value :wink2: online MP games are an exception though.
 
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