660ti is more than enough for playing these games at HD resolution. But above that resolution you would need a more powerful card.
[SOLVED] Asus GTX 660ti vs Club 3D 7870 xt
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Tom's tested "bandwidth" to see how hard the hit GeForce takes when you crank up AA levels with it's weak 192-bit interface. Also, there's something wrong with ocaholic charts as well; there's no way a GTX 650 Ti Boost can outperform a HD 7870 in Crysis 3, that too with such high level of AA applied.
Driver-related problems are to be expected with the HD 7870 XT, since there's no official Tahiti LE board from AMD.
Driver-related problems are to be expected with the HD 7870 XT, since there's no official Tahiti LE board from AMD.
Focus on just one aspect of GPU (e.g. memory interface) will lead to misleading conclusion and understanding of dynamics of expected GPU performance in a graphics application.
Memory interface (alone) does not do wonders during graphics processing. Many variables are involved which collectively determine the performance of a GPU in a graphics application.
Memory bandwidth of a GPU is determined on the basis of all memory characteristics including memory interface, type and clock speed.
Memory bandwidth of NVIDA GTX 660 Ti is 144.2 GB/sec and AMD HD 7870 is 153.6 GB/sec. Now, theoretically, AMD HD 7870 should always outperform NVIDIA GTX 660 Ti in all graphics applications because it have superior memory bandwidth but is this really the situation in real time?
In real time, many factors will influence performance including GPU architecture, GPU clock speeds, driver optimization, application design and vice versa. This is why we often notice NVIDIA GTX 660 Ti pulling ahead of AMD HD 7870 in various applications irrespective of settings.
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The review which I cited is based on driver versions Forceware 314.22 WHQL (for NVIDIA) and Catalyst 13.3 Beta3 (for AMD).
Memory interface (alone) does not do wonders during graphics processing. Many variables are involved which collectively determine the performance of a GPU in a graphics application.
Memory bandwidth of a GPU is determined on the basis of all memory characteristics including memory interface, type and clock speed.
Memory bandwidth of NVIDA GTX 660 Ti is 144.2 GB/sec and AMD HD 7870 is 153.6 GB/sec. Now, theoretically, AMD HD 7870 should always outperform NVIDIA GTX 660 Ti in all graphics applications because it have superior memory bandwidth but is this really the situation in real time?
In real time, many factors will influence performance including GPU architecture, GPU clock speeds, driver optimization, application design and vice versa. This is why we often notice NVIDIA GTX 660 Ti pulling ahead of AMD HD 7870 in various applications irrespective of settings.
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The review which I cited is based on driver versions Forceware 314.22 WHQL (for NVIDIA) and Catalyst 13.3 Beta3 (for AMD).
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I didn't ask for explanations, I just pointed what tom's was trying to achieve. Therefore, they're not idiots as you may think.
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And oh yeah, the review you cited can never have any flaw whatsoever, because - well.. you cited it! I'm telling you again, just in case, you missed it: unless the GTX 650 Ti Boost is overclocked to the moon; it can NEVER beat a HD 7870 in C3 with 8xMSAA. Period. Besides, the ocaholic don't even have an HD 7870 XT mentioned anywhere in their charts.
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And oh yeah, the review you cited can never have any flaw whatsoever, because - well.. you cited it! I'm telling you again, just in case, you missed it: unless the GTX 650 Ti Boost is overclocked to the moon; it can NEVER beat a HD 7870 in C3 with 8xMSAA. Period. Besides, the ocaholic don't even have an HD 7870 XT mentioned anywhere in their charts.
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@Baghi
My explanation is for everybody. It isn't specifically aimed for you, I consider it my responsibility to explain PC hardware related matters to people to educate them. People should know the facts and not just blindly adhere to stereotypes.
As far as your point about NVIDIA GTX 650 Ti Boost performing better then AMD HD 7870 in a game is concerned;
Have you personally thoroughly tested both of the aforementioned GPU to validate your point? Can you present results?
Jazbati hone se behtar hai ke common sense use kar lo.
Agar aur koi fault nazar aata hai uss review mein jo mein ne cite kiya hai to bata deina. It isn't my ideal review by the way, I cited it because of it being newer then majority and presents evidence of my explanation.
My explanation is for everybody. It isn't specifically aimed for you, I consider it my responsibility to explain PC hardware related matters to people to educate them. People should know the facts and not just blindly adhere to stereotypes.
As far as your point about NVIDIA GTX 650 Ti Boost performing better then AMD HD 7870 in a game is concerned;
Have you personally thoroughly tested both of the aforementioned GPU to validate your point? Can you present results?
Jazbati hone se behtar hai ke common sense use kar lo.
Agar aur koi fault nazar aata hai uss review mein jo mein ne cite kiya hai to bata deina. It isn't my ideal review by the way, I cited it because of it being newer then majority and presents evidence of my explanation.
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Use YOUR common sense sir, you don't need to be a genius to understand the obvious. GTX 650 Ti Boost isn't faster than the HD 7870; I know it, world knows it.
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At 1080p with 4xAA. The HD 7870 will run circles around a GTX 650 Ti Boost with 8xAA.
Juzbati to aap ho rahe ho mere dost. It's like me saying "have you used AMD at all lately?; how dare you talk trash about it then.". Please.
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At 1080p with 4xAA. The HD 7870 will run circles around a GTX 650 Ti Boost with 8xAA.
Juzbati to aap ho rahe ho mere dost. It's like me saying "have you used AMD at all lately?; how dare you talk trash about it then.". Please.
@Baghi
I didn't claim that NVIDIA GTX 650 Ti is faster then AMD HD 7870. Do you seriously think that I am not aware?
GPU performances are not static matters, results may vary from system to system due to different dynamics such as driver versions used in testing process, applications and settings.
I mentioned the drivers used in the review which I cited. Feel free to point out if situation have changed in newer drivers.
Here is another testing process:
AnandTech | Bench - GPU14
AMD HD 7870 is obviously faster then NVIDIA GTX 650 Ti Boost but this doesn't means that the former GPU will outperform the latter GPU in each and every application. In the comparison from Anandtech, NVIDIA GTX 650 Ti Boost rivals or performs slightly better then AMD HD 7870 in at least 2 games (Bioshock Infinite and Crysis 3). Now results may differ in a different setup.
I didn't claim that NVIDIA GTX 650 Ti is faster then AMD HD 7870. Do you seriously think that I am not aware?
GPU performances are not static matters, results may vary from system to system due to different dynamics such as driver versions used in testing process, applications and settings.
I mentioned the drivers used in the review which I cited. Feel free to point out if situation have changed in newer drivers.
Here is another testing process:
AnandTech | Bench - GPU14
AMD HD 7870 is obviously faster then NVIDIA GTX 650 Ti Boost but this doesn't means that the former GPU will outperform the latter GPU in each and every application. In the comparison from Anandtech, NVIDIA GTX 650 Ti Boost rivals or performs slightly better then AMD HD 7870 in at least 2 games (Bioshock Infinite and Crysis 3). Now results may differ in a different setup.
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As a user of Clud 3d 7870xt, I would recommend buy 660ti.
7870xt gets really really hot unless you undervolt it.
There aren't that many drivers related issues .
Performance wise 7870xt is a good card but 660ti is simply better.
Also that 192-bit on 660ti is not really a problem. You won't have enough horsepower to push extreme Anti-Aliasing anyway.
You should only be worried about low bus width if you are opting for SLI and stuff.
Go with 660ti.
Btw are you getting both of them for the same prize?
7870xt gets really really hot unless you undervolt it.
There aren't that many drivers related issues .
Performance wise 7870xt is a good card but 660ti is simply better.
Also that 192-bit on 660ti is not really a problem. You won't have enough horsepower to push extreme Anti-Aliasing anyway.
You should only be worried about low bus width if you are opting for SLI and stuff.
Go with 660ti.
Btw are you getting both of them for the same prize?
Selectively picking up slides doesn't change the fact. Mere jazbati dost. Show me at least a couple of slides showing GTX 650 Ti Boost beating HD 7870 in some non-NVIDIA friendly titles. The condition is that those slides should be from reputable tech-sites with up-to-date drivers.
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Is this thread about GTX 650 Ti Boost versus HD 7870?
I have already adequately explained the dynamics of NVIDIA GTX 650 Ti ending up performing better then AMD HD 7870 in (few) applications during some testing processes (reviews). Your claim is that this cannot happen but this remains a claim since you haven't tested these GPU yourself.
I have already adequately explained the dynamics of NVIDIA GTX 650 Ti ending up performing better then AMD HD 7870 in (few) applications during some testing processes (reviews). Your claim is that this cannot happen but this remains a claim since you haven't tested these GPU yourself.
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Your foolishness have no bounds.
This is what I intended to explain to the audience:
OP was concerned about memory interface based limitation of NVIDIA GTX 660 Ti due to one review depicting it ending up underperforming then competition in one game with AA and AF settings, I explained that this isn't an issue and the referred review be not taken at face value in this respect.
Unfortunately, NVIDIA GTX 660 Ti is seldom featured in latest reviews so choices are limited to present evidence of it performing better then HD 7870 in some games even with AA and AF settings enabled. I cited one and it serves the purpose. Your lame attempt to disregard it is not helpful to OP at all.
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[MENTION=882]LeGenD123[/MENTION]. You said you've spent your life with computer hardware and can spot any flaw in a review and yet you yourself post a review with such flaw in it. Hell, your cited review doesn't even include HD 7870 XT benchmarks which is being discussed here. HD 7870 is faster than the GTX 650 Ti Boost ACROSS THE BOARD! Google the term and comeback to me. Jazbati aadmi.
Just help the fellow out, give him a logical reason to get the GeForce, remove his misconceptions instead of imposing your own thoughts.
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Just help the fellow out, give him a logical reason to get the GeForce, remove his misconceptions instead of imposing your own thoughts.
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Tu mein kya yahan per Pashto likh raha hoon?
My "quoted" explanation is absolutely logical and based on my observations and knowledge in hardware. Since I have great grasp of ground realities of PC hardware, I was able to point out a flaw in a review cited by OP regarding bandwidth interface based limitation of NVIDIA GTX 660 Ti and addressed his concern based on my own knowledge. The review which I cited to satisfy OP is the latest one featuring NVIDIA GTX 660 Ti on the web, it supports my explanation and is helpful for this matter.
Now if NVIDIA GTX 650 Ti ended up outperforming AMD HD 7870 in one or two applications in the referred review, this isn't such a big deal or doesn't devalues the review itself. Performance of GPU can fluctuate in some or all applications on the basis of system configuration (something that every knowledgeable PC user should understand).
I have seen reviews in which AMD HD 7870 outgunned even the mighty NVIDIA GTX 680 in some applications. Does this mean that NVIDIA GTX 680 is not faster then AMD HD 7870 ACROSS THE BOARD?
Jazbati mein nahin hoon, aap hein. Aap nei is matter ka batangar bana diya hai.
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Are yaar Baghi aap bhi na.... Or dear Legend123 kia aap bata sakte hain k aap Kis behlf par itna sure hain k Bandwit hi sab khuch nhi or bhi boht si cheze dekhni hoti hain jo mil kar Graphc perfmnc ko best banati hain?haha you didn't explain, you blindly start calling tom's are idiot until I highlighted the "bandhwith" part. But anyway Sultan Rai twada apra e, to aapka jazbati hona understandable hai.
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Kia aap ne 660Ti use kia hai or 7870XT? agar kia hai to phr waqai aap ziada behtr Mashwara de sakte hain k Kia Ground Realts hain.
Please all respctfull users aap se Guzarish hai k Bilkul sahi mashwara dain, kahin aisa na ho k main itni Amount Laga kar bhi wo result na hasil kar paon.
Thanks for ur respctfull replys....
I am using 7870xt right now and I were asked to choose between the 2 cards, I would always pick 660ti if they cost about the same (+-1000)
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