Mirrorless Cameras Sony or Fujifilm

NaNoW · May 25, 2020

very much divided between
Sony 6400 , Fujifilm X T3, X T30. and the new Fujifilm X T4. Have somwhat narrowed down to these
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Budget is not really fixed that much. The use is mostly stills street and potraits, and for a bit for street video or youtube.

Fujifilm X T4 is clearly a much better camera, but is it TWICE as much a camera as Sony 6400 ?

Are there any others in the same range ?

https://cameradecision.com/compare/Fujifilm-X-T3-vs-Sony-Alpha-a6400

these all lie in the range

RESOLUTION	PRICE	MAX ISO	SCORE
Sony A7 III Mirrorless \| Full frame Sony E Mount Add to Compare See Details >	24 MP	$1,998	51200	92
Nikon Z6 Mirrorless \| Full frame Nikon Z Mount Add to Compare See Details >	25 MP	$1,797	51200	94
Panasonic S1 Mirrorless \| Full frame Leica L Mount Add to Compare See Details >	24 MP	$1,998	51200	90
Sony A7R II Mirrorless \| Full frame Sony E Mount Add to Compare See Details >	42 MP	$1,398	25600	89
Canon R Mirrorless \| Full frame Canon RF Mount Add to Compare See Details >	30 MP	$1,799	40000	87
Fujifilm X-T4 Mirrorless \| APS-C Fujifilm X Mount Add to Compare See Details >	26 MP	$1,699	12800	86
Nikon D750 DSLR \| Full frame Nikon F Mount Add to Compare See Details >	24 MP	$1,497	12800	85
Nikon D500 DSLR \| APS-C Nikon F Mount Add to Compare See Details >	21 MP	$1,497	51200	83
Sony A7 II Mirrorless \| Full frame Sony E (NEX) Mount Add to Compare See Details >	24 MP	$898	25600	89
Canon RP Mirrorless \| Full frame Canon RF Mount Add to Compare See Details >	26 MP	$999	40000	82
Canon 90D DSLR \| APS-C Canon EF/EF-S Mount Add to Compare See Details >	33 MP	$1,199	25600	81
Sony A7R Mirrorless \| Full frame Sony E Mount Add to Compare See Details >	36 MP	$1,299	25600	87
Panasonic G95 Mirrorless \| Four Thirds Micro Four Thirds Mount Add to Compare See Details >	20 MP	$998	25600	81
Canon 6D MII DSLR \| Full frame Canon EF Mount Add to Compare See Details >	26 MP	$1,399	40000	80
Panasonic G9 Mirrorless \| Four Thirds Micro Four Thirds Mount Add to Compare See Details >	20 MP	$998	25600	80
Fujifilm X-T3 Mirrorless \| APS-C Fujifilm X Mount Add to Compare See Details >	26 MP	$1,299	12800	80
Sony A77 II DSLR \| APS-C Sony/Minolta Alpha Mount Add to Compare See Details >	24 MP	$1,198	25600	80
Sony A6600 Mirrorless \| APS-C Sony E Mount Add to Compare See Details >	24 MP	$1,198	32000	79
Sony A99 DSLR \| Full frame Sony/Minolta Alpha Mount Add to Compare See Details >	24 MP	$1,998	25600	79
Sony A7S Mirrorless \| Full frame Sony E Mount Add to Compare See Details >	12 MP	$1,998	409600	84

RESOLUTION	PRICE	MAX ISO	SCORE
[h=2]Canon 80D[/h]DSLR \| APS-C Canon EF/EF-S Mount Add to Compare See Details >	24 MP	$999	16000	79
[h=2]Nikon D610[/h]DSLR \| Full frame Nikon F Mount Add to Compare See Details >	24 MP	$897	6400	78
[h=2]Nikon D600[/h]DSLR \| Full frame Nikon F Mount Add to Compare See Details >	24 MP	$1,900	6400	78
[h=2]Fujifilm X-H1[/h]Mirrorless \| APS-C Fujifilm X Mount Add to Compare See Details >	24 MP	$1,299	12800	78
[h=2]Panasonic G85[/h]Mirrorless \| Four Thirds Micro Four Thirds Mount Add to Compare See Details >	16 MP	$900	25600	78
[h=2]Sony A7[/h]Mirrorless \| Full frame Sony E Mount Add to Compare See Details >	24 MP	$898	25600	84
[h=2]Panasonic GH5[/h]Mirrorless \| Four Thirds Micro Four Thirds Mount Add to Compare See Details >	20 MP	$1,298	25600	78
[h=2]Sony A6400[/h]Mirrorless \| APS-C Sony E Mount Add to Compare See Details >	24 MP	$898	32000	78
[h=2]Panasonic GX8[/h]Mirrorless \| Four Thirds Micro Four Thirds Mount Add to Compare See Details >	20 MP	$898	25600	77
[h=2]Nikon D7200[/h]DSLR \| APS-C Nikon F Mount Add to Compare See Details >	24 MP	$990	25600	77
[h=2]Nikon D7500[/h]DSLR \| APS-C Nikon F Mount Add to Compare See Details >	21 MP	$897	51200	77
[h=2]Canon M6 MII[/h]Mirrorless \| APS-C Canon EF-M Mount Add to Compare See Details >	33 MP	$849	25600	77
[h=2]Sony A77[/h]DSLR \| APS-C Sony/Minolta Alpha Mount Add to Compare See Details >	24 MP	$900	16000	76
[h=2]Sony A6500[/h]Mirrorless \| APS-C Sony E Mount Add to Compare See Details >	24 MP	$848	25600	75
[h=2]Sony A6300[/h]Mirrorless \| APS-C Sony E Mount Add to Compare See Details >	24 MP	$889	25600	75
[h=2]Fujifilm X-T2[/h]Mirrorless \| APS-C Fujifilm X Mount Add to Compare See Details >	24 MP	$1,600	12800	75
[h=2]Canon 6D[/h]DSLR \| Full frame Canon EF Mount Add to Compare See Details >	20 MP	$1,699	25600	74
[h=2]Panasonic GH3[/h]Mirrorless \| Four Thirds Micro Four Thirds Mount Add to Compare See Details >	16 MP	$1,300	12800	73
[h=2]Fujifilm X-Pro2[/h]Mirrorless \| APS-C Fujifilm X Mount Add to Compare See Details >	24 MP	$1,699	12800	73
[h=2]Nikon 1 V3[/h]Mirrorless \| 1" Nikon 1 Mount Add to Compare See Details >	18 MP	$997	12800	73

fayaz88 · May 26, 2020

From the sound of it, this is your first mirrorless. Buy any one of them and forget the rest. People with budget Canon DSLRs have made award winning photos/film - any one of these should be more than enough. Don't worry too much about sharpness and ISO performance - they really don't matter outside of reviews.

Budget at least 50% of your total for lens(es). For photography lenses will matter much more than the body - I'd say lenses are 80% important and body 20%.

Note: Fuji has a specialty camera especially for street and casual photography. The X100 series. Look it up. I own an X100T and I'll trade my DSLR for it any day of the week.

NaNoW · May 27, 2020

fayaz88 said:
From the sound of it, this is your first mirrorless. Buy any one of them and forget the rest. People with budget Canon DSLRs have made award winning photos/film - any one of these should be more than enough. Don't worry too much about sharpness and ISO performance - they really don't matter outside of reviews.

Budget at least 50% of your total for lens(es). For photography lenses will matter much more than the body - I'd say lenses are 80% important and body 20%.

Note: Fuji has a specialty camera especially for street and casual photography. The X100 series. Look it up. I own an X100T and I'll trade my DSLR for it any day of the week.

No, I had a Sony NEX 5, but at the moment they didnt compete with DSLR, so decided to switch back ( I have owned maybe 3 Nikon / 2 Canon DSLR bodies over past ~ 15 years or so)..but now Mirrorless are dominating so was looking into getting into it.

the thing with Fujifilm Xt-3 is superior color science and 10 bit video ....I owned Sony 6400 for a week to test it....I liked it, but I didnt LOVE the handling of the camera, through the pictures quality was nice. So If I do decide to go for 6400 again, I would need a battery grip ( which is fine since the battery life wanst amazing on it)

my dream mirrorless camera currenlty would be Fujifilm X-T4 ...its almost perfect..but its 2000 Euros!!

NaNoW · May 27, 2020

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armada · May 27, 2020

I don't know about your future budgets but fujifilm lenses cost arm and leg, chose a system which has better quality plus affordable easy to available lenses and accessories

Cameras you have shortlisted are crop and 4/3 chose Full Frame for better quality and low light performance either DSLR or Mirror less from Sony or Nikon

Nomad · Jun 2, 2020

NaNoW said:
No, I had a Sony NEX 5, but at the moment they didnt compete with DSLR, so decided to switch back ( I have owned maybe 3 Nikon / 2 Canon DSLR bodies over past ~ 15 years or so)..but now Mirrorless are dominating so was looking into getting into it.

the thing with Fujifilm Xt-3 is superior color science and 10 bit video ....I owned Sony 6400 for a week to test it....I liked it, but I didnt LOVE the handling of the camera, through the pictures quality was nice. So If I do decide to go for 6400 again, I would need a battery grip ( which is fine since the battery life wanst amazing on it)

my dream mirrorless camera currenlty would be Fujifilm X-T4 ...its almost perfect..but its 2000 Euros!!

Which lenses did you use with a6400 when you had it? (please don't say kit lens

)

In my opinion if staying within your budget is important then get the a6400 with Sigma prime lenses (although that would mean no handheld video). But if you are leaning towards XT4 despite its cost, then go for A7 III instead.
a6600 can be an option as well but only if the price difference with a6400 isn't too much. a6600 would resolve your battery grip size and capacity issue you had with a6400, plus it would allow shooting handheld videos with Sigma primes.

NaNoW · Jun 3, 2020

Nomad said:
Which lenses did you use with a6400 when you had it? (please don't say kit lens )

In my opinion if staying within your budget is important then get the a6400 with Sigma prime lenses (although that would mean no handheld video). But if you are leaning towards XT4 despite its cost, then go for A7 III instead.
a6600 can be an option as well but only if the price difference with a6400 isn't too much. a6600 would resolve your battery grip size and capacity issue you had with a6400, plus it would allow shooting handheld videos with Sigma primes.

I used it with the kit lens for a week..and as I said, I did like it..
hmm I keep switching between 6400 plus cage + extra battery + a couple of decent glass that sigma art f1.4 16mm/30mm and something like sony 18-105 f4
6600..which is essentially a 6400 with bigger battery + one of those lens
or xt4 but is A7 III that good ? I know its full frame but better than xt4 overall ?

Nomad · Jun 5, 2020

NaNoW said:
I used it with the kit lens for a week..and as I said, I did like it..

If you liked results from the kit lens, you'll be amazed by the results you'll get from Sigma 1.4 lenses on a6400

NaNoW said:
6600..which is essentially a 6400 with bigger battery

+IBIS +Headphone jack
-Built-in flash

NaNoW said:
or xt4 but is A7 III that good ? I know its full frame but better than xt4 overall ?

In my opinion, it is.

In addition to having the advantages (better DOF in both photos and videos, better low light performance, wider) and disadvantages (larger and more expensive lenses) of being full frame, it's also a better future investment in my opinion. By that I don't mean that the camera body is more future proof compared to XT4. Camera body is only one part of the equation and these become obsolete quickly. The other, more important part is the lenses, which don't age as fast as camera bodies and can last you decades. Whichever camera you end up buying, you'll most likely end up with 3 or more lenses for your camera. Some of those lenses may even be as expensive as the camera body itself.

With XT-4 you'll be stuck with APSC Fuji cameras introduced in future. You may feel the need or desire to go full frame but that would mean changing your whole gear and start fresh again.
Full frame e-mount has a larger and more versatile collection of lenses with new lenses being introduced regularly for it compared to any other mirrorless system currently. Better to invest in a camera system that allows you to grow.

In case of Fuji if you are dissatisfied with any features of the camera or want some improvement then you won't have any choice but to wait for XT-5 or XT-6 and prey that Fuji improves those cameras in the areas you want. In case of Sony, if and when you decide to upgrade from A7 III, other than the next cameras in the same line (A7 IV), you'll be able to choose if you want camera with higher resolution (A7R series), better sports photography capabilities (A9 series) or better video capabilities (A7S series "hopefully").

So, in my opinion if you want something on a budget (that is still absolutely great), get Sony a6400. But if you are willing to spend $1700 on the camera body alone, go for Sony A7 III. As far as I'm concerned, that price point is not suitable for APSC cameras, no matter how good they are.

NaNoW · Jun 7, 2020

Nomad said:
If you liked results from the kit lens, you'll be amazed by the results you'll get from Sigma 1.4 lenses on a6400

+IBIS +Headphone jack
-Built-in flash

In my opinion, it is.

How do you feel about this https://www.verkkokauppa.com/fi/pro...IoYW51CBnZEwl5NNVO8hEMikhmB8wZEwGz53s3q53dQE1

comes with an extra mount for lens
The Canon EOS RP is a mirrorless SLR with a large 26 megapixel cinema-sized image sensor and offers first-class image quality and a shooting experience. Usability and ergonomics combined with state-of-the-art technology crown the whole. In terms of usability and features, this camera is suitable for photography enthusiasts. The Canon EOS R is designed to deliver top-notch image quality in an superbly compact and lightweight package.
The Canon EOS RP is equipped with the same 26 megapixel sensor as the renowned Canon EOS6D Mark II and a powerful processor. Canon's unique Dual Pixel AF autofocus is world-class and allows autofocus to operate in extremely low light (with -5 EV f / 1.2 lens).
You can record 4K UHD video with the camera at a bit rate of up to 120 Mbps.
Memory card sold separately. See the suitable model for example of the recommended products below!

sensor: 36 x 24 mm CMOS, 26 megapixels
bayonet: Canon RF
processor: Digic 8
focus points: 4779
sensitivity: ISO 100 - 40,000 (extended ISO 50 - 102400)
shutter speeds: 30 to 1/4000 s
flash sync: 1/180 sec
continuous shooting: up to 5 fps
video recording: max. 3840 x 2160 @ 30p 120 Mbps
viewfinder: OLED, 2.36M points
display: 7.5 cm approx. 1M dots
memory card slot: SD (HC / XC) UHS-II
microphone connection: 3.5 mm
headphone jack: 3.5 mm
other connections: USB Type-C, HDMI Mini
wireless: Wi-Fi, Bluetooth
dimensions: 132.5 x 85 x 70 mm
weight: 485 g
sales package contents: camera, battery charger, battery (LP-E17), neck strap

NaNoW · Jun 17, 2020

Nomad said:
If you liked results from the kit lens, you'll be amazed by the results you'll get from Sigma 1.4 lenses on a6400

Description

Sigma 30mm f/1.4 DC DN Contemporary Lens for Sony E Mount Item# 3187

Sony Alpha a6400 Mirrorless Digital Camera with 16-50mm Lens (Black) Item# 3831

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Nomad · Jun 17, 2020

NaNoW said:
Description
Sigma 30mm f/1.4 DC DN Contemporary Lens for Sony E Mount
Item# 3187
Sony Alpha a6400 Mirrorless Digital Camera with 16-50mm Lens (Black)
Item# 3831

sirf apke keheny per order keya hai

That's an excellent combo

. Sigma 16mm and 56mm are better lenses than 30mm, but they are more expensive and are on either end in terms of focal lengths. 30mm, despite not being as good as the other two, is probably the better choice for an all purpose walk around lens.

NaNoW · Jun 18, 2020

Nomad said:
That's an excellent combo . Sigma 16mm and 56mm are better lenses than 30mm, but they are more expensive and are on either end in terms of focal lengths. 30mm, despite not being as good as the other two, is probably the better choice for an all purpose walk around lens.

guess what...so the shop I ordered it from sent this email

and inside the link was actual picture of the order...

I have never seen that ...ever

Nomad · Jun 18, 2020

NaNoW said:
guess what...so the shop I ordered it from sent this email

and inside the link was actual picture of the order...

I have never seen that ...ever

This may be in an attempt to reduce returns during pandemic period

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